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Postby JJ » Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:31 am

I know there is an argument that this could be in the HL section, but seeing as I don't agree, let's stick them in here!

I'm still regularly listening to Before After, and really enjoy most of it. But it really seems to have split opinions - some think it's too funky and not enough H17 of old, others, (me included) really like the funky tracks. The gig at Scala to promote it was one of the best gigs I've ever been to, and despite the far too frequent appearances of the front couple of rows of the crowd on the DVD, I really enjoy watching that too.

It seems as though Ian Craig Marsh has done a disappearing act, so not sure what that means for future releases, although when they played live in Falkirk recently I think (not sure) they did it without him (is that right?)

Anyway, Penthouse & Pavement, The Luxury Gap, How Men Are, Bigger Than America, Before After - I love them all!

(I DON'T love Pleasure One, and don't even own Teddy Bear Duke & Psycho as I thought the single with Jimmy Ruffin was almost heretical in it's not-sounding-like-Heaven17-ness!)

So...discuss them here!
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Postby Stig Olsen » Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:43 am

I've said it before, and I'll happily say it again: 'Before After' stinks!

I was so dissapointed of that album, as 'Bigger Than America' is such a fantastic piece of electronic music....and then a funky donky album...sigh.

The "best" tracks of the album, are the slow tracks "Into the Blue" and "What would it take".
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Postby Pauline » Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:55 am

No he wasnt at Falkirk.
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Postby mikeypblueremix » Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:00 am

P&P was good, though it sounds like it's not fully formed, whereas The Luxury Gap nails it, and has the brilliant 'Let Me Go' and 'We Live So Fast' on it.

How Men Are had brilliant points in it, but sounds a bit sparse for my taste, and then...Pleasure One has good songs but what happened to the synths? 'Contenders' has the best intro I've heard anywhere then leads into sterile funk.

TB,D&P has a few fat synth noises on, good songs, but again poor musical backing, haven't heard anything since then as I was put off by the last two albums I mentioned.

I've heard a few snippets of B/A and it's not my cup of tea.


I'm hoping the forthcoming BEF album, Dark (when it comes out) will be very electronic...
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Postby tall tall tall » Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:04 pm

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Better get back to the oracle...
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Postby Soundtrack » Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:55 pm

I agree with what you say about Before After, it sounds unlike them as if they're doing the whole 'back to the roots' idea that every band pretends to do, just they did it badly! Love the sleeve notes though :P
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Postby JJ » Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:36 pm

Apparently Ian Craig Marsh might no longer be in the band. According to the H17 forum, where Glenn posts fairly regularly, GG said they haven't heard from him for ages and don't know whether he's still with them or not.
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Postby mikeypblueremix » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:43 pm

He could come back to the League...
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Postby loveaction » Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:17 pm

JJ wrote:Apparently Ian Craig Marsh might no longer be in the band. According to the H17 forum, where Glenn posts fairly regularly, GG said they haven't heard from him for ages and don't know whether he's still with them or not.

How can they not know wether he is still with them, how weird
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Postby orac » Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:28 pm

Heaven 17 hardly meet up these days. Martyn is busy with his sound projects and solo album whilst Glenn now works for the BBC (along with his Honeyroot project).
I don't think they've seen or heard from Ian since Scala back in 2005 which leads me to think that he will never perform with H17 again.
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Postby mikeypblueremix » Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:37 am

Well, if you're reading Ian, best of luck in whatever you choose to do :)
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Postby orac » Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:41 am

Glenn sent me a copy of the new Honeyroot album today. It's pretty good and contains some chilled electro tracks - very Air Moon Safari and Royksoppy in places which leads me to think that this album could do quite well ( I'm sure that a few of the tracks will be picked up the likes of CH4).

We will be giving 5 autographed copies away over at the official H17 site very shortly.
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Postby ToyotaCityBoy » Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:15 pm

Ian's old email address bounces now... I wonder what he's up to these days?
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Postby orac » Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:52 am

I was told that he's met 'some woman' ;)
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Postby One Man » Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:09 pm

Oooh, the Yoko effect.
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Postby Girls on Phil » Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:14 pm

Rob/Orac is hosting a new downloadable mix of We Live So Fast by John Von Ahlen (JVA) over at Electronically Yours. It's a brilliant mix, certainly better than most if not all of the official ones that I've heard :)
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Postby nonstop » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:21 pm

Yep its far better than the original version of the track
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Postby Stig Olsen » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:24 pm

Great mix - I love these professional fanremixes, I still don't get how you guys (EMP/JVA) isolate the vocals - is it software that suppress the surrounding music?

I know I've seen the feature in Adobe's Audition, but haven't played around with, so I don't know how effective it is.

re. Audition - I still get a kick out of increasing the speed of the track, without the vocal pitch is changed a bit - I still don't get how it's possible.. :D
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Postby Girls on Phil » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:37 pm

Stig, I think John and I use different methods. According to his latest write-up he uses phase cancellation (which means mixing a phase reversed instrumental version with a vocal version = the musical backing supposedly cancels itself out leaving the vocals - haven't tried personally though). I tend to use EQ to remove the bass end + also look for vocal bits that don't feature many drums. Sorry if that's too tech-y :)
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Postby Stig Olsen » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:50 pm

Not at all too techy - cheers for that, Paul.

Still, that would mean he had to have an exact instrumental version, which may not always be available. It's the sort you can get for removing car engine noise - same technology - and for geeks, you can tweak the sound, so it inside sounds like you're driving a Ferrari, but infact it's a Berlingo.... ;)
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Postby JJ » Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:07 pm

The new Honeyroot album got a very good write-up yesterday in one of the free papers (might have been Metro).
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Postby Girls on Phil » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:08 am

It also got 4 out of 5 in the Something for the Weekend section in last weeks' Sun.
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Postby orac » Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:34 am

The new Honeyroot album is indeed brilliant and will surprise many. It's one of those rare albums that has huge potential to reach out and exceed all expectations.

The paper is awful but The Sun's 'Something For The Weekend section is really quite good highlighting decent acts and essential releases. That particular editor knows his music.

You can read The Sun's review and many words of praise for Honeyroot's album over at:

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Postby One Man » Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:20 pm

orac wrote:You can read The Sun's review and many words of praise for Honeyroot's album over at:

http://www.heaven17.com

....but still only if you are a member. Casual visitors will still click away!
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Postby orac » Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:06 pm

soz ;)
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