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Postby EmpireStateHuman » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:07 am

Okay, just a few pointers to some of the suggestions / comments above...

Andy MGE - I've had a look at the PMing system and boosted the message limit, so that should solve your problems. 9 messages / 95% is a bit ridiculous (although does this include your sent items?).

Polls - were always on the mid-term list of things to do, I've looked at the plugin Stig suggested and will be implementing it soon - there's a lot of code to edit though so I'll only install it when I can give it my full attention for an hour or so inorder to avoid buggering it up.

Danny C - WYSIWYG post editing would be a nice feature, I agree, and I'm looking at a number of plugins. I suspect it could end up being a Java applet, however, and I've had some nasty experiences with Java in the past so let me get back to you.

Regarding your other points, the fixed-width forum was a deliberate decision, partly from an aesthetic point of view (I want to ensure that the layout of the forum is exactly the same for any user) and partly because I disagree about large displays being the norm - I built this forum on a 1024x768 iBook G3... And the Flickr and upcoming EY headlines were based on some ideas I played with for over two weeks to make things more dynamic here - hopefully they'll blossom but if enough people campaign for its removal then I'll reconsider!

Hope this all makes sense for now...
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Postby JJ » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:15 am

Thanks Matt, and thanks for sorting the date thing out as well.
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Postby Stig Olsen » Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:56 am

Excellent, Matt - and I agree on the fixed width.
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Postby mikeypblueremix » Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:11 pm

Too wide makes your eyes water :lol:
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Postby Andy MGE » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:22 pm

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Postby tall tall tall » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:44 pm

Agree Andy. We need that Turing Test, squiggly word thing (CAPTCHA) on sign up but I haven't got the foggiest idea how it's implemented.
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Postby Danny C » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:54 pm

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Postby mikeypblueremix » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:27 am

I'm all for anything that stops spam, those things where you have to type in a code before you register are simple to use and most importantly, don't put newcomers off.

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Postby JJ » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:58 am

I agree that these people logging on with spam are a pain in the arse, and anything that can be done to stop it should be. That's up to Matt to make any amendments that need making.

All I can say is that as soon as I spot them, I delete the posts. That is usually within a day (those three on the General HL area appeared overnight, because they weren't there at 10pm yesterday), which I hope is quick enough for most of you.

As it happens, despite the various comments about reporting them both here and on one of the spam threads, no-one actually did report them.

I would also say please don't reply to them.

To answer ED's point about having to sign up through a moderator first, that isn't actually the answer. I have no way of telling someone is a spammer unless they have an obvious name, like viagraonline or similar. Again, Matt is the only one who can do anything about that.

I think there is some confusion about the difference between a moderator and an administrator here. As a moderator I can edit other people's posts, and move, delete, close/open and sticky/unsticky threads - that's all. I can also see the reports if anyone clicks on that link in a post. But any actual changes to forum code or anything like that, or banning people, investigating IP addresses etc are only able to be done by the administrator.
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Postby Stig Olsen » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:44 pm

If someone wants to register here as Viagra or whatever - surely that's okay!?!! I hope people aren't being banned on the assumption of a boardname, then again, I have faith in JJ's way of moderating the board - just a note before we all go down for a pint at "The Hangmans Knot Inn". (there's one point for knowing where the last name comes from). :D
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Postby JJ » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:55 pm

The fact is (according to Matt), most of those dodgy names don't give a valid email address and so wouldn't be able to post anyway. For those that actually do register with a proper email address just to spam the board, there's actually not that much you can do about it on an individual basis other than deal with it when it happens. It's only when a spammer actually posts something that you can know for sure that's what they're here for.

That's a long way round of saying that for the most part people wouldn't be prevented from posting just because of their login name, although if anyone DID genuinely want to be called viagraonline I would say they deserved everything that's coming to them (pun intended).
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Postby decophile » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:36 pm

I maintain a yahoo chat group and get notifications when someone new joins. I can usually spot a dodgy email address right away. You sort of know it when you see it. I usually delete it right away, 'cause if I don't, spam surely follows.
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Postby Soundtrack » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:17 pm

What's the difference between the 'Show recent posts' button and the 'Show posts since last visit' one? Do they show any different?
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Postby ToyotaCityBoy » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:07 pm

I don't suppose it's possible to make the Flickr images optional for each user, is it? They're *painfully* slow to load up sometimes (like at the moment) and the rest of the page won't load until Flickr delivers content.

Or perhaps the pages could be coded so the Flickr content is loaded last, so we can read messages in the meantime if we're not desperate to see the latest pictures...?
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Postby Soundtrack » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:11 pm

To whoever it may concern*

I keep getting these emails from the forum saying someone's replied to a topic I've suscribed to when I haven't suscribed to any topics! Where have these come from!?

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Postby JJ » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:39 am

This is just a reminder about this thread and its intended purpose.

If you have any serious suggestions that you think would improve the way the forum works, please post them here. If they've already been posted above (eg WYSIWG, Polls etc) then you don't need to post them again.

Thanks.
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Postby Andy MGE » Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:57 pm

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Postby JJ » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:10 pm

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Postby Stig Olsen » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:16 pm

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again - Matt has done a great work starting off THL boards - but I do think his absence from here is a bit of a problem.

I absolutely agree with Andy about Panzer's site - it is lifted to semi-official status by the bands management (Regeneration Tour), and is 100% League content. Furthermore new features, changes and additions were "looked into" nearly a year ago. One way to actually keep people coming here, would be keeping the board up-to-date. We do pay for the board, so even if Matt actually started it, it can't be a problem others having admin rights as well - he could look at it as a relief! :D

MODERATING:
Have to agree with JJ on this one - the board works, because it's not strictly moderated, but you can't compare it to the dmmb - there's thousands and thousands of members there, and it HAS to be strictly moderated - as things tend to get out of hand regulary.
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Postby JJ » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:21 pm

Stig - the point I was making about the DMMB was entirely different. I was merely saying that the way some people are on there doesn't result in people thinking the band themselves are the same.

Having said that, there are ways and means of maintaining strict moderation, and Brat's methods leave a lot to be desired.
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Postby Stig Olsen » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:23 pm

gotcha!

The point I was making (without it working) was that strict moderation can ruin a board.
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Postby EmpireStateHuman » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:46 am

You guys are probably right about replacing the EY links, leave it with me.

Re. the number of moderators. I'm generally of the opinion that the fewer moderators we have the better. Obviously someone needs to keep an eye on stuff, tidy up problems, wade in where required etc., but other than that I'm a firm believer in a "hands off" moderation style.

There's the odd trouble-maker on here over time, but generally people on this board are a nice bunch and these things tend to talk themselves out rather than requiring deletions / bans / warnings etc - which is as it should be.

I will only add more moderators if JJ feels that the work in moderating the board is too much for him to do alone - and if it becomes obvious that the board is suffering as a result of not having a second pair of eyes. Now this partly comes down to how much time JJ is prepared to spend on the board and is a personal decision for him, but on the basis of the conversations I see here (and I do keep an eye on things!) I see nothing to indicate that more moderators are required. Every time you add a moderator, you add another person who's able to stamp their own opinions about what is and isn't acceptable, where things should go etc. and this is a power you don't hand out lightly. Certainly, the odd poster acting like a prick is definitely NOT a good reason to impose another layer of control over what people are allowed to say on the message board.

If we had a massive influx of hysterical loonies on here like on DM.com then I'd add more moderators in a heartbeat; but when I check in I generally see nice people having occasionally heated discussions and that's it... :)

So my *moderation* policy isn't absence or neglect, it's actually a very firm decision which I stand by. Anything offensive / libelous / malicious will be removed from the board and the posters dealt with as appropriate, but as with any gathering of people there will always some who you like more than others. This board is open to anyone who likes the Human League. If some Human League fans are more annoying than others, then this is simply a cross we have to burden for our shared interests!

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Postby decophile » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:11 am

What's it like over on DM.com? Food fight?
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Postby JJ » Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:28 am

No, it isn't a foodfight. If you like a forum that contains the same thread over and over, or Best Picture Of Dave Part 23, or Do DM Members Ever Read This Forum? type stuff then head on over to www.depechemode.com.
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