2017... Formula 1 thread

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Re: 2017... Formula 1 thread

Postby SubHuman » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:49 pm

sarah t wrote:I've been looking at various analysis and clips of the start of the Singapore GP crash on YouTube and IMO I think it is Verstappen whom is to blame. He was defending from Kimi, moving a bit from side-to-side forcing Kimi into a mistake, perhaps too much power on a wet bit which caused him colliding with the Red Bull and his teammate.


I think you're in a minority of one on this Sarah, all the commentators seem to think that Vettel was the chief instigator of the crash, Verstappen was backing of when the initial coming together happened. However it did all happen very quickly. I think the stewards said it was a racing accident but I haven't seen what they said officially.
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Re: 2017... Formula 1 thread

Postby sarah t » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:01 pm

SubHuman wrote:
sarah t wrote:I've been looking at various analysis and clips of the start of the Singapore GP crash on YouTube and IMO I think it is Verstappen whom is to blame. He was defending from Kimi, moving a bit from side-to-side forcing Kimi into a mistake, perhaps too much power on a wet bit which caused him colliding with the Red Bull and his teammate.


I think you're in a minority of one on this Sarah, all the commentators seem to think that Vettel was the chief instigator of the crash, Verstappen was backing of when the initial coming together happened. However it did all happen very quickly. I think the stewards said it was a racing accident but I haven't seen what they said officially.


I change my mind and looking at the analysis I think both Ferrari's should take the blame equally... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czHPM0UjLNc and that Verstappen was an innocent party this time.
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Re: 2017... Formula 1 thread

Postby SubHuman » Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:41 am

I think the accident was a racing incident. Initially Verstappen moved little towards Vettel and then straightened up. This allowed Kimi to attempt to overtake down Verstappen's left, at the same time Vettel move over towards Verstappen not realising that Verstappen had nowhere to go. That was when Verstappen tried to avoid an accident by slowing but it was too late. It was amazing that Hamilton overtaking down the outside managed to avoid the carnage.
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Re: 2017... Formula 1 thread

Postby SubHuman » Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:33 am

So Hamilton's on pole for the Malaysian Grand Prix and Vettel's at the back of the grid. Hopefully Hamilton will be able to consolidate his lead. If this happens he should end up winning the the drivers championship.
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Re: 2017... Formula 1 thread

Postby SubHuman » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:16 pm

Well that was different and so refreshing to have Red Bull winning ahead of Mercedes and Ferrari. Verstappen didn't put a foot wrong after he passed Hamilton and Ricciardo could have got passed if he hadn't been held up for so long by Bottas. Hamilton was fairly happy with second place and Vettel back in fourth, but Toto Wolff was rather downbeat after the race because Mercedes don't understand why they were so much off the pace of Red Bull and Ferrari. It was a sterling effort by Vettel to get up into fourth after starting from the back of the grid.
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Re: 2017... Formula 1 thread

Postby StevieD » Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:20 pm

And then vettel was a tw#@ again.
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Re: 2017... Formula 1 thread

Postby SubHuman » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:12 am

StevieD wrote:And then vettel was a tw#@ again.


I'm not sure whose fault that was and the good news is Vettel might get put back five places on the next grid if Ferrari have to change the gearbox which seems likely. =D =D =D
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Re: 2017... Formula 1 thread

Postby sarah t » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:10 pm

SubHuman wrote:
StevieD wrote:And then vettel was a tw#@ again.


I'm not sure whose fault that was and the good news is Vettel might get put back five places on the next grid if Ferrari have to change the gearbox which seems likely. =D =D =D


Not that exciting a race but great 20th birthday present for Verstappen, particularly considering the bad luck he has had during the season. Quite bizarre what happened at the end of the race seeing Vettel driving with three wheels, strange... wasn't Seb looking in his mirrors???

Impressed with debut from Gasly in the Torro Rosso with some feisty battling and strong drives from both McLaren Honda cars.

Hardly time to draw breath before we head off to Suzuka and this is one that I plan to hear as it happens thanks to BBC Radio5Live! :)
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Re: 2017... Formula 1 thread

Postby SubHuman » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:12 pm

There only seems to be footage of Vettel's accident from his carcam and this doesn't show how the coming together happened. From the drivers comments after the event it seems they had both rather switch off after the end of the race and wandered into each other. One of the most bizarre racing incidents I've seen.
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Re: 2017... Formula 1 thread

Postby JJ » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:17 pm

LH was totally dominant in qualifying for Suzuka and smashed Schumacher's long-standing lap record by well over a second in grabbing pole for the first time in Japan, the only place in the current F1 calendar where he'd never previously got pole.
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Re: 2017... Formula 1 thread

Postby sarah t » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:56 am

Can't believe something as simple as a spark plug took Vettel out after only three laps and with Kimi only finishing fifth Ferrari had a dreadful Japanese GP. On the flipside Red Bull have clearly made a massive step forward and both Ricardo and in particular Verstappen kept Hamilton honest right up to the end... those last few laps were quite nailbiting with Lewis I believe having a problem with the car.

Elsewhere impressed with the move both HASS cars made to pass Massa's Williams and Alonso was unfortunate to make the move into the points at the end... more of the same (i.e. no points) from McLaren Honda.

Quite a massive gap in the drivers table with four races to go but you never know what might happen next... Austin Texas next for the US GP in a couple of weeks.
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Re: 2017... Formula 1 thread

Postby sarah t » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:16 pm

Please excuse me for 'flag waving' but where are all the British F1 drivers? I can remember a time when we had four contesting the championship (who recalls the quartet of [Damon] Hill, [Eddie] Irvine, [Johnny] Herbert and [Anthony] Davidson??).

Next season (2018), with Palmer getting dumped from Renault, it looks like there will just be Hamilton and' great though he undoubtedly is, it would be much better for fans, particularly at Silverstone, to have more than one Brit to cheer on. There is a slight possibility that [Paul] DiResta might nab the second seat at Williams alongside youngster Stroll but the Scot is hardly 'young fresh talent'. Where is the next Hamilton in British motorsport??? Anyone worth looking out for in the junior categories?

Sorry rant over!
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Re: 2017... Formula 1 thread

Postby SubHuman » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:54 pm

On these complex V10 engines it's quite difficult to get at the spark plugs, although I would have thought they could have accessed it in the garage using special tools! Sounds like an excuse for the continuing reliability issues that Ferrari are experiencing at the moment. They managed to make their cars faster but they're breaking down quite frequently.

Lewis problem at the end was that after the virtual safety car let his tyres cool down he couldn't get them warmed up as fast as the Red Bull of Verstappen. This is an issue Mercedes have had before, Lewis's car set up seems to be particularly prone to not being good at getting the tyres switch back on after cooling.

It may be that British drivers don't attract the same level of home sponsorship that overseas drivers are enjoying.
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